Check out this discussion thread posted on the AZ section of Cafe Pharma back in early March -- way before the Bucket of Money scandal got rolling (New readers: see numerous posts below).
Clearly, none of this is proof of anything. Café Pharma is an unreliable source that should be taken with a fistful of salt.
Nonetheless, just for fun:
It starts when one AZ rep (presumably) asks:
“Why is MZ so hell bent on using RSMs to sell against Femara? … The whole thing sounds sleazy to me.”
Could MZ be Mike Zubillaga? Who knows. As usual with anonymous info, it’s unreliable.
The dueling posters then engage in a battle over whether “MZ is the best Regional @ AZ” or, conversely, whether “he is just another RSD licking the shit off of the boots of Scarlett to get to the next level in his career.”
Who is “Scarlett?” You might suggest it’s the wonderfully named Scarlett Spring, AZ’s national sales director/oncology. I couldn’t possibly comment. (A message left for Spring last week was not returned – Ms. Spring, feel free to call me at 646 654 5406 or jedwards@brandweek.com if you have anything you want to add.)
After several posts regarding the usual Café Pharma intellectual debate about whose body parts are in whose mouths, the posters begin debating whether they should follow AZ’s “policy” or MZ’s directions.
Then it gets really interesting. One post:
“Just got back from an Abraxane meeting in Pittsburgh with our Abraxis counterparts. The Abraxis manager told all of us not to use email when dealing with Regional Scientific Managers but to stick to cells phones. AZ's Mid-Atlantic Abraxane DSM 'RD' was present & said nothing. This leads me to believe that what they are asking us to do is illegal. Is anyone else seeing this in other parts of the country?”
The reply:
“Lemme guess..help the RSM recruit for ad boards and sell Abraxane off-label. Keep it quiet. No email or voicemail. Cell phones only.”
Some context from a third poster:
“My CPA, Doctor, and Stockbroker only work over the phone or live too. Cheer up.”
And then the retort:
“Avoiding email is a way to hide evidence. I remember getting off the bus at a national oncology meeting years ago and being asked for my laptop so they could record the hard drive. This was during the Zoladex investigation. They pieced together every suspicious transaction. That included business plans, email, work day appraisals, evaluations and call notes. When reps were questioned they had everything laid out in chronological order. We were also told that at any time a federal investigator could knock on our with a subpeona. Comforting thoughts.”
Clearly, once the movie rights are negotiated the script-writing will be the easy bit.
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